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This is Bob Gerber of Phenomenal Research.

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My wife told me you had a little experience last night.

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Yes, we did. And some of our neighbors and people up on the hill, we know that

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we went out a little ways and they got a approach to looking at all.

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Starting right from the beginning, I like to hear about it.

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Well, we were, I do sometimes I look up at these guys anyway and watch, you know.

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But we were watching the moon come over the mountain.

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And we saw these bright, this bright light come up like a star or something real bright.

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Yes.

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Come up over to the top of the mountain that came up in the air and then it would go down.

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Behind the mountain again.

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And it did that about three times.

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My husband was cleaning and I said, we thought, well, maybe it was an airplane.

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I said, an airplane, don't go up and come down any further.

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So, but we didn't see it anymore right then.

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So we just dismissed it.

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And he looked for about a half hour but he didn't see anything.

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And all it must have been about 8.30, I just put my daughter to bed or no before.

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I looked out the window and saw them again.

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And this time there was two falling up and down.

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They would come up in the air, up in the sky, and then down again on the mountain.

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On the back side of the mountain.

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They disappeared completely each time.

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Yes.

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To the back side, you know, where I, out of sight.

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And then they started moving around on the top part of the mountain.

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And then my husband went to bed.

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And then I saw several of them come out from those there, come down the mountain.

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And then ones come out from among the trees.

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Now you're saying several came out, several smaller ones came out of the other.

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Well, I don't know if they came right out from the bigger ones.

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But the bigger ones stayed at the top.

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The smaller ones came down around the trees.

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Yes.

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And there's two, what we call it, two stands of trees up in the snow line.

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Yes.

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In the middle.

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And they came down, one, and it turned.

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I saw three of the warlights coming off.

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They looked like the same one.

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But these friends of ours that I told about, they went out and we called them.

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And they said, they saw there was several of them together.

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They came down.

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So they counted, oh, I don't know about 16, but I think it only came out four from here.

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I saw they were four.

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But it was pretty scale.

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Yes.

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We didn't count any field grass.

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And then there was ones that were coming in and out from among the timbers.

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And meeting those other ones out on the snow.

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And then they would go back in the timbers and then the other ones would go back up to the big ones.

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Like they were getting something out of the hill or something.

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And this went on for several hours.

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You say they moved around in between the timber.

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Were they actually moving down below the top of the tree levels in between the trees?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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The one, I mean, I think there was one in each timber line.

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And each timber, bunch of timbers.

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And they were not going, the ones that were in amongst the timber, were not going above

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the timbers because there's no above it, you know, and you could see.

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Yes.

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But they would come out of the timber and meet the other one.

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And then the other one would take it and go back up.

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Of course, like I said, they could see them out clearer than I could.

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Yes.

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When they went out because it's clearer up there on the hill.

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We'd about flat.

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I see.

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And for several hours, and they would go up and down the mountain top.

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The large one stayed at the top.

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They would just move up and down the mountain.

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And then they would move into the back of the mountain.

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And then they'd bob up here.

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So they were evidently being something back in the mountain too.

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I see.

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Now what color were these for the...

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At times when they would turn the little ones that would come down and turn to meet

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the other one that came out of the timber, it would turn different colors by flickering

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lights, sort of reddish color when it would turn.

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And it almost looked like to me, of course, I didn't have any nostrils or anything.

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So I could not see very clearly.

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It looked almost like there might have been windows in the side of it.

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And that's what several lights were reflecting out.

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Yes.

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And I think that there were some other people that thought they thought those were all separate

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lights.

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So whether they came down in a group together or not, I don't know.

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And all this time you saw how many?

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I believe there were four.

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I see.

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But now I don't...

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They think there was around 16, but they had a better look than me did.

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Yes.

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So I don't know.

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And our other neighbors, some other neighbors thought too.

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And this expense went out a ways on the mountain there on the hill where they live.

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And where they could see, get a real good look at it.

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Now this mountain approximately, how far away is this from you?

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I'm not very good at this thing.

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Is this in the Cascade foothills?

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Well, right along the bay, we live right in the bay.

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And then that mountain, there's a little hill, which is Gold Hill.

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And then after that there's another little hill on the other side of the freeway.

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And then the mountain stands up there in this large mountain.

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I'm not sure what the name of it is.

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Someone told me Anderson's mountain.

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I see.

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But I had this boy who was just going to look up in the forest and that's what it was.

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This is east of you?

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Yes, northeast.

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Northeast, okay.

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So it's sort of a little bit north, but it's almost right straight across from us at the end of it.

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Is there anything particular on that mountain that would be of interest to anyone?

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Are there mines, old mines?

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There are old mines around, all over, in this wood hill.

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What were they mining at the time? Do you have any idea?

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This boy was, what, I don't know what kind of mine he was on.

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Could you think, I don't know because I've heard of all these different types of things around here.

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Yes.

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In fact, there's, in some places there are a mixture of different minerals together in the rock.

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But these here lights were going up in the air.

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I mean, they were going high.

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And in just a few seconds, they could cover the distance from the middle of that mountain to the end.

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So, that would be quite a few miles in just a few seconds.

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Yes, they were moving right along.

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Yeah, and they were large, the ones that were on top.

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And the other ones smaller.

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And the light sometimes would be so intensive that it would be really bright.

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I see.

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Now, at any time that this light gets so intensive, it actually lit up the ground or the area around the sunset?

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Well, it's quite far away and it was right on the, the brightest ones stayed right on the very top of the hill.

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They did not go down into the snow or I would criticize.

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I see.

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And the ones that went down in the snow, they did get quite bright and light up.

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But like I said, I don't have binoculars, so we couldn't see.

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Right.

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But this is an area where there has been sightings up near that area before.

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Oh, I see.

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Have there been any recent sightings that you know of?

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Not that I know of.

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I see.

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There might have been, but I know of not.

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Right.

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Okay, and your husband was watching this also?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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And then that would make two witnesses within your group?

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Yes, and my daughter saw it when it first came up over the hill.

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Of course, she went to bed before it.

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They started moving around.

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Okay.

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Now, were there any aircraft in the area while you were watching this?

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No, we never saw any.

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How was the weather conditions that night?

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Clear.

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Perfectly clear before the clouds cut.

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I remember seeing the moon come up.

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Yes, and it was beautiful.

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That was a sight.

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Okay, now, I'm curious to know where you got our number.

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I called the radio station, KBRC.

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Oh, yes.

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The man there told me about, he also told me maybe I should call the corps there for me.

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They told me there that they do not take any information on you at all.

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Okay.

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And this was all, they did give me another number.

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That was civil defense.

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But we don't call them, do we?

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No.

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Okay.

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That's really interesting, though.

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I have a newsman in Seattle who specializes in this sort of thing.

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Are you willing to talk to him by any chance, or would you rather not have this mentioned at all?

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No, I would be willing to talk to him.

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I've been quite interested.

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In fact, I saw flying saucers before, but I've never, every time I never know where to report it,

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but because everybody makes fun of you, they don't realize.

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Yes.

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Well, this has been one of our big problems.

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We're doing all the advertising we can about our reporting center.

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I hope that someday we'll get it out to everyone.

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Yes.

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Well, we sure appreciate your calling.

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And I think I'll just give these other witnesses a call and see if we can...

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This was the one that was up on the hill, is this correct?

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Yes.

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Well, they live up on the hill, and it's clearer up there.

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They can see more from up there, because down here we have lights and everything.

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Yes.

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We're still in the post office, and we've got a big yard by it, one of those big ones.

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And so much light, and I was just happy to get a pair of field glasses.

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I can't make out those, because like I said, it was hard to make out the lights,

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because it seemed like they would just flare up, and there'd be three or four,

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and then all of a sudden they would kind of go together.

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And they said they were all separate, so they counted about 16, they thought.

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I see.

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They thought they were snowmobiles, because we saw them going up in the air.

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Well, thank you very much again for calling, and I hope you keep our number handy.

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All right, yes.

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Thank you.

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Bye-bye.

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This is Bob Gribble of Phenomena Research in Seattle, Washington.

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Yeah.

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I talked to a Mrs. the other night, she was telling me about her sighting of a UFO,

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West Barista Bowl on the 25th of February, and she said that you were a witness to this.

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I wonder if we could get your description of what you saw.

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Well, it was, in a hard way.

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She said that you were in a much better position to see this than she was.

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Yes, we see this.

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We went about a mile from our house, I'd say, up the road.

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And when we first got there, we'd seen one large white light go around the mouth, you

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know, in the air.

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Yes.

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And then we stood there for a few more minutes, and there was a number of lights, a huge circle

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of lights.

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And at first I thought it was just, you know, a helicopter with one handy search light

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on it.

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Yes.

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And then there was a collection of colors of lights in this big thing.

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And then it was, it kind of divided in pretty soon, it was light school in every direction.

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And we knew it wasn't a helicopter, I still am not sure what it is or what we saw.

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But my first impression of it was maybe a whole group of snowmobiles hauled over the

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mountains.

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Yes.

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But then they moved too fast, maybe a couple of miles, the others.

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It's about 14 miles long, you know, top of the mountain, I guess.

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And it took a matter of seconds to go from one end to the other.

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And then it goes straight up in the air, and I know there's nothing around to do that.

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They just, well, I'm not a real believer in this, but I did see something, I don't know

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what it was.

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Approximately how many objects in all would you say that you saw?

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At the most, oh, I don't know.

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We all saw that around 15, all together.

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At one, but in the south, there was kind of weird, we kept seeing when they'd go up and

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kind of disappear up in the air, and we'd see flickering lights down on the snow and

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in the trees, kind of all over the mountain.

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We didn't know what that was either.

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Were those lights moving?

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They didn't seem to be, they seemed to be just flickering, kind of a bluish light, kind

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of, I don't know, the whole thing is kind of weird.

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But we lost them for about 20 minutes or half an hour.

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See, well, now when you said that this one large light seemed to separate, did it actually

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seem to separate or was it possible that something was more or less being launched out of that

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light, lighted area?

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It could have been launched out of that light yet.

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But it was just like a solid thing coming out of that light or a space.

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I don't know, maybe several hundred yards apart.

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What color were they?

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They were white.

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All white.

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All white.

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Okay.

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And was that big of a cost of weight?

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Oh, there was about three colors from what we could make out.

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There was one huge, huge bright lighted.

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There were several active bright lights.

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That was the white, the white was the brightest and it was the red, kind of a blue-green light.

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I see.

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But they were all mixed in it.

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It was quite a ways above the mountain when it first came over and kind of tunneled down

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on top and all these objects kept coming out.

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Would you say that that?

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I don't know if you can really say what it is or, but I know I've never seen it before

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and I've been here all my life.

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Would you say that that object was sitting on top of the mountain?

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Not quite, close.

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It's just awful hard to tell because we're still quite a distance away.

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Yes.

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Okay, now these smaller lights that appear to either separate or come out of the larger

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and did they go down towards the ground?

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Yes, they went down and they were going along the top of the mountain at a snow level.

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And some of them were down in the trees and they just more or less all disappeared at one time.

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I don't know where they went.

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You didn't see them come back up and move back into this one big light?

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Well, see, the big light kind of went back over the hill and after all these come out

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and we're watching them on the hill and it kind of just, you know, kind of went over the

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stretch of the hill, behind.

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I see.

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But then later on we did see a once upon a one go right shot down three close to the

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tree light and most of it was been logged up there.

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Oh, I see.

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You know, it's quite moonlight and you could really see the whole rim of the hill.

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I've been up there in a four wheel drive during summer but right now there must be at least

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70 to snow in there.

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Is there any particular thing that anyone would want to see in that area?

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Not as I know it.

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Are there any mines, old mines?

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Yes, there's one a little lower on the hill.

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And then all you could see later on was the sparkling type thing in the trees and so forth.

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Yeah, and they disappeared.

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There's nothing else.

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It seems like when these white objects would disappear, then the sparking would come out.

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Not in the same place where they were but in the areas where they were dead or something.

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I see.

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Okay, now how far, did you first site this from your home?

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No, the lady that you mentioned before called us.

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We cannot see it from the home.

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We have large trees right here.

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But we are quite a bit closer and so we just jumped in the car and drove up there with four of us.

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I see.

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There was a man by the name of Moses and he don't believe there was neither but he said it too.

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So that's the four of us seen at the same time here.

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Approximately how close did you say you got to the mountain?

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14, 15 miles, maybe even less.

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This is what surprised me.

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I have to do in the summer seen car lights up on this mountain.

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And these lights were way bigger than way brighter.

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I see.

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So I've seen four wheel drives up there in the summer and he don't drive it around.

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And whatever this was is way larger and a much wider bluer fights light.

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And that big light it just maintained.

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This regular color while all this was going on.

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Yes.

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It was like one big fish but all these other lights were around.

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It looked like a round, I don't know what.

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But these other things did come out of it.

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And then they kind of drifted back over the mountain.

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That's what I've seen at large.

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Yes.

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But everyone's probably seen something come across that's white and bright.

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And how long did you figure you watched this?

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20 to 30 minutes.

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20 to 30 minutes.

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And of course you wouldn't be able to hear any sound from that distance.

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No, no.

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Did you by any chance see any aircraft in the area at the time?

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No, I was looking because my first impression was one of those really huge helicopters.

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Yes.

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That's what I thought it was coming over the mountain when I first seen it.

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And then no helicopters knew what this did.

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Okay.

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Well we sure appreciate this information to kind of put together some kind of an investigating case on this.

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I'd like to leave our number with you just to let you see it in the future.

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Okay.

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I'll get the tempo here.

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The organization is Phenomenon Research.

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We're doing a considerable amount of research and investigation on the UFO phenomenon.

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Well I have seen, you know, I have done a lot on the mountain for a long time.

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And I have seen things far away, you know, that's what the bright things are.

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I've watched the change direction in the middle of the sky.

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This I've never seen before.

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It's kind of shocking in a way.

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Yes, I know what you mean.

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Well thank you very, very much for talking to us. We appreciate your cooperation.

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Okay. Bye.